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Excess Returns · Thursday, September 10, 2026

Cyclical Forces Mirror 1960s 'Guns and Butter' Era, Pushing Rates Higher

Mike Contopilis draws a parallel between current cyclical forces and the 1960s 'guns and butter' era, citing increased global defense spending and fiscal initiatives like the CHIPS Act and Inflation Reduction Act. He argues these factors, combined with low unemployment and accelerating money velocity, put upward pressure on interest rates.

personMike ContopilispersonLyndon Johnson

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The cyclical forces in our view is that you've kind of got a Redux of the guns and butter era of the 1960s.
Mike Contopilis
That the guns being everything that's going on throughout the world with Ukraine, Iran, everywhere.
Mike Contopilis
And that's coupled with, you know, maybe not, you know, spending on social programs, but the one big beautiful bill, the chips act, the inflation reduction act. Still adding stimulus to the economy.
Mike Contopilis
Heard on Excess Returns — “Everyone Hates Bonds. Why Two Bond Managers Say You're Hating the Wrong Ones, published Thursday, September 10, 2026. Heardvine summarizes and quotes with attribution and timestamps, and links to the original everywhere.
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